I hate being taxed in my meat and in my drink.

Put yer money where yer meat is!!! :-)

There you go Jenn!!

Crazy Cat... I wanted to show this to you... My brother is a teacher at Billerica High School. He teaches US Gov't, World history and other stuff as well. I sent a copy of these quotes to him, just to try to share a little bit with him, and prove that I'm not just a moron who cares about nothing but music, and he responded with this... Please don't take offense to this, he's just clarifying a bit for me and showing how 1-history repeats itself time & time again... AND Our government will probably NEVER change...
I just thought it's pretty F'ng cool how he just rattles this stuff off of the top of his head. He really is a VERY impressive man.

Kevin,
Thanks for the quotes; I'll use them in class. I noticed that someone put "the Federal Reserve" in brackets in the quote, but Jefferson wasn't talking about a Federal Reserve, he was talking about the creation of the First National Bank which was the brain child of Alexander Hamilton (Jefferson's arch enemy). The First National Bank did essentially what the Fed does today, and Jefferson was fooled by Hamilton into getting support for it. They made a deal one night over a private dinner between Hamilton, Jefferson, and Madison (some company, huh?). Anyway, Hamilton was too smart for the both of them. He knew that the two Virginians wanted the National Capital to be built in the south, so he promised to get his Northern buddies in the Congress to agree to build the Capital city on the Maryland - Virginia border if Jefferson and Madison would get their southern congressmen to approve his financial plan, which included the establishment of the National Bank. They couldn't resist, and they made the deal. That's how Hamilton got his National Bank passed even though Jefferson despised the idea, and how the site for the National Capital city (Washington D.C.) was chosen. These three guys were pulling all the strings over dinner. When Jefferson was older and reflecting on his career, he said that this deal was his biggest mistake and his greatest regret. Hamilton got the best of him.

Approximately thirty-five years later Andrew Jackson destroyed the National Bank by ordering his Secretary of the Treasury to pull out all federal funds (he had to fire two treasury secretaries because they refused to do it. The third guy said fine, no problem). The money was withdrawn and the bank went bust. That was in 1832; there was no national bank in the United states for the next 81 years until Woodrow Wilson resurrected it in 1913 only this time naming it The Federal Reserve. We've been under its power ever since, and none of the board members are elected. There are fifteen members to the board; they are appointed by the President to fourteen year terms. This puts them beyond the control of any one President who at the most can only serve ten years in office.
Some democracy... Huh??

Well... That's what he wrote... Just wanted to share...

Jenn, are you bustin my ballz??? ; )

OK... Cool...
Me too... I'll actually sit aand have a beer (or 14) with my brother, and talk for hours about government and politics.

He just rattles stuff off the top of his head, like nothin', and gives me examples of how not only OUR gov't, the the whole world has been like this for thousands of years... how history repeats itself... One last thing about my brother... I don't think there's a person on ths planet, that absolutely DESPISES George Bush, more than my brother... EXCEPT MAYBE Louis Black (comedian)...

OH!! SORRY!!!! I didn't mean to offend you...
Relax !!! I've seen thicker skin on pudding, for christ's sake!!!

; )

I was not offended. I was just saying I know who Lewis Black is. My ex used to love him.

And Chippa, I agree. He's just angry now.

"My future ex wife"


come again...?

Kev,

Yes I know that Jefferson wasn't alluding to the "Fed" per say, but an institution similar in purpose, a central bank, such as the "First National" as he described. The First National was an early attempt to gain total control of the money system—I am well aware of this. It was similar in its intent as the the "League Of Nations" was in its intention to establish a balance of power and the cornerstone of world government in 1919, as the UN is today.

An interesting point that that your brother didn't mention was that the charter of the first national bank expired in 1811, the year before the outbreak of the War of 1812—interesting.

Another interesting point: it is said that the American Civil War actually started not in 1861 but in 1837, after the demise of the "Second Bank" (another attempt) when its charter expired. I could go on about this but don't have the time right now.

Amazing. Think about it: Slavery really had virtually nothing to do (as we are taught) with the Civil War. It was really all about money. And we—the sheeple—are herded and stampeded around at the whim and behest of our masters (or bankers).

Another Jefferson quote: "I believe that bankink institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
Already they have raised up a money aristocracy that has set the Government at defiance.
The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the Government, to whom it properly belongs."

Please give my regards to your brother!

Swan......or as Shemp of the Stooges would say, "My ex-wife and ten bartenders".

Again, it should be emphasized that the "Federal Reserve" nor any of the other aforementioned banking institutions predating the Fed were "federal" or government owned. The Federal Reserve masquerades as a Government institution by name only and is privately owned by the banking institutions that it is comprised of. Our country has systematically been sold off to private money lenders. It has been raided as a corporation in a hostile take over with junk bonds.

Now it's time to "pay the piper". We can all watch what happens as the plug is pulled on our bankrupted and broken-down constitutional republic and we our guided under duress into a brave new world of international socialism.

God help us.......

Kev... I think one of my sisters had your brother for a teacher, and if I remember correctly, most of the students loved him for exactly what you shared with us: he somehow made politics and history real. (ask if he remembers the Cavicchio's someday... remember also that you met my dad, Cosmo, already) :)

CrazyCat-- I learned in school that the Civil War didn't have nearly as much to do with slavery as with economy. Fights are always about money. :) BTW, it was around the same time that public schools stopped teaching kids that Christopher Columbus discovered America... but that's for another post :)

My favorite Jefferson quote: "If I paid you to think, you could cash your check at the penny arcade."

(oh wait... sorry-- wrong Jefferson...)

Oh, and Kev, the biggest reason that the U.S. is embroiled in so much conflict in the Middle East has more to do with the protection of Israel than it does with the control of the oil fields (if the terrible truth be told).

This information as well is "politically incorrect".

You digress indeed!

John Calhoun on the public deposits, May 1836:

" A power has risen up in the government greater than the people themselves, consisting of many, and various, and powerful interests, combined into one mass, and held together by the cohesive power of the vast suplus in the banks."

bump for CC

It should be noted that Lincoln uses the dreaded "c" word in the above quotation:
"The money power preys upon the nation in times of peace and CONSPIRES against it in times of adversity."

No one ever accused him of wearing a "tin foil hat" A stovepipe yes but tin foil, no.

I tend to agree with CrazyCat. The Civil War was much more complex than simply anti-slavery. True, that was the cause adopted by the northern (republican) cause, but as stated, it was also about destroying the southern economy, which had depended upon slaves for over 200 years.

I'm certainly not trying to defend the concept of slavery, but there were other issues involved at that time. Remember, it was a very different world, with different morals, standards, and beliefs.

The northern wealthy made lots of money by trading cotton, but they also made money on wool textiles, which they obtained from other sources. Plus the New England bankers and financiers had been casting a covetous eye at the southern real estate, which would allow them to make even more money if they could build mills there.

There was also the issue of state's rights. Many of the southern states had only reluctantly signed off on the constitution on the condition that they could set local standards and laws. Northern mill owners didn't need the institution of slavery, they already had Irish (and Italian and Chinese and other European immigrants) to work for very low wages.

I was raised in Maryland, and my father and grandfather were from Alabama. Trust me, they had a very different view of the Civil War and it's causes. As do most born southerners...

If the South would’ve won we'd a had it made,
I'd prob’ly run for President of the Southern State.
The day Elvis passed away would be our national holiday,
If the South would a won we'd had a it made.

I'd make my Supreme Court down in Texas,
And we wouldn't have no killers gettin’off free.
If they were proven guilty, then they would swing quickly,
Instead of writin’ books and smilin’ on T.V.

We'd all learn Cajun cookin in Louisiana,
And I'd put that capitol back in Alabama.
We'd put Florida on the right track ‘cause, we'd take Miami back,
And throw all them pushers in the slammer.

If the South would’ve won we'd a had it made,
I'd prolly run for President of the Southern States.
The day young Skynyrd died we’d show our Southern Pride,
If the South would a won we'd had a it made.

I'd have all the whiskey made in Tennessee,
And all the horses raised in those Kentucky hills.
The national treasury would be in Tupelo, Mississippi
And I'd put Hank William’s picture on one hundred dollar bills.

I'd have all the cars made in the Carolina's,
And I'd ban all the ones made in China.
I'd have every girl and child sent to Georgia to learn to smile,
And talk with that southern accent that drives me wild.

I'd have all the fiddles made in Virginia
Cause they sure can make'em sound so fine.
I'm goin up on Wolverton mountain and see ole Clifton Clowers,
And have a sip of his good ole Arkansas wine.

Hey, if the South woulda won we'd had it made
I'd prolly run for President of the Southern States,
When Patsy Cline passed away that would be our national holiday,
If the South woulda won we'd a had it made.

If the South woulda won we'd a had it made.

We might even be better off.

I stand always available, depending on my wife's health. What dates do you have in mind? Remember, money talks...

Did you know that Pete Early from Those Three Guys is a direct descendant of Gen. Jubal Early the famous Confederate raider?
His great great great grand pappy.

Come witness the band's reenactment of Shiloh, Gettysburg and Bull Run!!......
Yeeeeehah!!!!!!! Signing off.....

True southerners play Telecasters...

Milhouse is waxing poetic, writing sonnets now! More Iambic pentameter!.....:-)

C'mon... There's extra credit on this one

I would guess religion, territory, and freedom.

Oh, you're so close... Ill have to wait for Crazycats answer before giving you the gold star, though

Three reasons for war? Tony Montana summed it up best:

youtube.com/watch?v=xj7hzatmk...