Did anyone else hear this??
P78 writes:
I wathced the entire VP Debate...
I thought Palin did well for her experience.
I thought Biden just proved he has done absolutely nothing in the 30years he has been in the Senate....
HOWEVER...Did anyone hear a commnet made AFTER it was over from Gwen Ifill to Biden?? I thought I heard Ifill tell Biden "You did GREAT!" as she shook his hand!!!!!
Anyone else hear this?
Man that pisses me off !!
I thought Palin did well for her experience.
I thought Biden just proved he has done absolutely nothing in the 30years he has been in the Senate....
HOWEVER...Did anyone hear a commnet made AFTER it was over from Gwen Ifill to Biden?? I thought I heard Ifill tell Biden "You did GREAT!" as she shook his hand!!!!!
Anyone else hear this?
Man that pisses me off !!
10/2/2008 11:35:22 PM
dog writes:
As expected, McCain supporters will crow about how Palin won and Obama supporters will talk about how Biden won,
In the meantime, we all lose.
In the meantime, we all lose.
10/2/2008 11:46:31 PM
P78 writes:
I thought they both did well but I could sense the bias of Gwen Ifill towards Biden...
Dog, I have always been a Democrat and I have always never been afraid to 'take on' the Republican lemmings on this site BUT I just cannot bare to watch an arrogant, self indulgent man (notice how I did NOT say Africna American) become the leader of this great country..
Believe me, I love nothing more to go head to head with CM
( ONLY because he LOVES politics so much ) and all his Republican buddies BUT I have to agree with CM and his group of mavericks here....
I think the Democratic Party has sold themselves out and that is why I am supporting John McCain....McCain is not ' destined' to become President because of his race or because he feels he is owed the job of President of the United States of America.....He wants to be President because he LOVES America....Now I am not saying Obama does not love America BUT his wife just started to this year and thta is a problem for me!
BTW Thank you for posting..Usually my posts are black listed and forced into the abyss... :-) !
Happy Friday!
Dog, I have always been a Democrat and I have always never been afraid to 'take on' the Republican lemmings on this site BUT I just cannot bare to watch an arrogant, self indulgent man (notice how I did NOT say Africna American) become the leader of this great country..
Believe me, I love nothing more to go head to head with CM
( ONLY because he LOVES politics so much ) and all his Republican buddies BUT I have to agree with CM and his group of mavericks here....
I think the Democratic Party has sold themselves out and that is why I am supporting John McCain....McCain is not ' destined' to become President because of his race or because he feels he is owed the job of President of the United States of America.....He wants to be President because he LOVES America....Now I am not saying Obama does not love America BUT his wife just started to this year and thta is a problem for me!
BTW Thank you for posting..Usually my posts are black listed and forced into the abyss... :-) !
Happy Friday!
10/3/2008 7:42:27 AM
dog writes:
"McCain is not ' destined' to become President because of his race or because he feels he is owed the job of President of the United States of America."
So, in other words, you think Obama feels that he IS "destined" to be President due to his race? If Obama gets elected it won't be -because- he's black, it'll be because Americans feel he's the best person for the job. I won't be voting for him, but he's hugely popular and the popularity cuts across racial boundaries.
I also don't see McCain as much if a "maverick" these days. He's a doddering, angry old man. Yes, he's qualified to be President, but he's also old and I really don't want to see a President Palin. She doesn't have near the experience, especially in areas of foreign policy that I'd want to see in a sitting President.
My opinion is that the all the choices in this year's election suck.
So, in other words, you think Obama feels that he IS "destined" to be President due to his race? If Obama gets elected it won't be -because- he's black, it'll be because Americans feel he's the best person for the job. I won't be voting for him, but he's hugely popular and the popularity cuts across racial boundaries.
I also don't see McCain as much if a "maverick" these days. He's a doddering, angry old man. Yes, he's qualified to be President, but he's also old and I really don't want to see a President Palin. She doesn't have near the experience, especially in areas of foreign policy that I'd want to see in a sitting President.
My opinion is that the all the choices in this year's election suck.
10/3/2008 9:11:08 AM
Darxis writes:
Before the debate I was in a little debate with a townie here and I am always asking myself why certain people think a certain way. I finally found a very interesting insight that has made me now wonder more than ever whether your a republican or demorcrat why these so called independents may/will decide this election. Agreed the candidates are bad but who are these people that may decide this election? These people have been all over the news etc. for years pitching there garbage. Ohio and Florida are the big electoral college swing states, it's too bad that the other states may not count. Who knows it will be over in a month and change will be blowing cold this winter.
10/3/2008 9:23:57 AM
ThatGuy writes:
Sorry Wayne (P78) ... you know I love you like a brother, but you clearly "drank the KoolAid" here.
You may not realize it yet, but you are so hook-line and sinker into McCain's camp that you're regurgitating things about the Obama camp that aren't proven and that are sound-bytes.
I truly am irritated with my choices this year/term. From just a political agenda and "vision" POV - I want to vote against McCain - EASILY. BUT... I just don't have a good feeling about Obama as a person being able to lead and inspire the nation.
I think both candidates are (mostly) stand-up men... BOTH of them twist and distort facts about their opponent's past, both have good points and bad points... but McCains policies and visions are not (to me) what we need right now - I am leaning towards what Obama has to say - BUT, I really don't want *HIM* to be the guy.
Not because he's black (couldn't care less), Not because he's arrogant, not because he is inexperienced... it's because he doesn't give me the feeling of someone that has control of the situation. He's smart, he's well-spoken... but I truly think he's going to rely HEAVILY on Biden and his cabinet for a LOT of decisions.
I think McCain would be a leader with conviction and strength - but unfortunately leading us in a direction that *I* (personally) think is not as productive as the Dem. ticket this year.
So - Rock & a hard place.
I still love ya Wayne... but you have lost objectivity in this race and although I respect your (or ANYONE'S) choice to vote for McCain... it's when it becomes blind faith without objectivity that it scares me.
You may not realize it yet, but you are so hook-line and sinker into McCain's camp that you're regurgitating things about the Obama camp that aren't proven and that are sound-bytes.
I truly am irritated with my choices this year/term. From just a political agenda and "vision" POV - I want to vote against McCain - EASILY. BUT... I just don't have a good feeling about Obama as a person being able to lead and inspire the nation.
I think both candidates are (mostly) stand-up men... BOTH of them twist and distort facts about their opponent's past, both have good points and bad points... but McCains policies and visions are not (to me) what we need right now - I am leaning towards what Obama has to say - BUT, I really don't want *HIM* to be the guy.
Not because he's black (couldn't care less), Not because he's arrogant, not because he is inexperienced... it's because he doesn't give me the feeling of someone that has control of the situation. He's smart, he's well-spoken... but I truly think he's going to rely HEAVILY on Biden and his cabinet for a LOT of decisions.
I think McCain would be a leader with conviction and strength - but unfortunately leading us in a direction that *I* (personally) think is not as productive as the Dem. ticket this year.
So - Rock & a hard place.
I still love ya Wayne... but you have lost objectivity in this race and although I respect your (or ANYONE'S) choice to vote for McCain... it's when it becomes blind faith without objectivity that it scares me.
10/3/2008 9:26:26 AM
ThatGuy writes:
... and I guess it's a natural progression mentally... right?
If you have made-up your mind early-on that you don't want one person and prefer another - you're GONG to tend to "filter" through the sound-bytes and skew things in favor of supporting your choice. WE ALL DO IT. I'm not saying you're some wacko freak... I just think that once everyone begins choosing a side - they all begin the mob separatist mentalities and collectively filter information to support their decisions and back their candidate.
I "TRY" not to get sucked into all of that - and it is hard - and I'm not always successful.
- - -
To bring my rant back around to being on-topic... What is wrong with the moderator giving praise to Biden AFTER THE DEBATE in a personal and genuine gesture...? She cannot tell him she thought he did great...? It means absolutely nothing to anyone. It was a personal comment made by her to him and the mic's were left on - and it means nothing. Nothing at all.
I'm just unsure of what part you take issue with: Bias? Who cares who she likes...? she was fair throughout the debate.
I guess I just see that kind of "picking-apart" as one of those instances where we let our desire to reinforce our own choice, cloud reality and twist it into things that don't exist.
Again - Wayne... politics are politics - you're always my friend.
If you have made-up your mind early-on that you don't want one person and prefer another - you're GONG to tend to "filter" through the sound-bytes and skew things in favor of supporting your choice. WE ALL DO IT. I'm not saying you're some wacko freak... I just think that once everyone begins choosing a side - they all begin the mob separatist mentalities and collectively filter information to support their decisions and back their candidate.
I "TRY" not to get sucked into all of that - and it is hard - and I'm not always successful.
- - -
To bring my rant back around to being on-topic... What is wrong with the moderator giving praise to Biden AFTER THE DEBATE in a personal and genuine gesture...? She cannot tell him she thought he did great...? It means absolutely nothing to anyone. It was a personal comment made by her to him and the mic's were left on - and it means nothing. Nothing at all.
I'm just unsure of what part you take issue with: Bias? Who cares who she likes...? she was fair throughout the debate.
I guess I just see that kind of "picking-apart" as one of those instances where we let our desire to reinforce our own choice, cloud reality and twist it into things that don't exist.
Again - Wayne... politics are politics - you're always my friend.
10/3/2008 9:39:41 AM
P78 writes:
I'M NOT LISTENING TO YOU LALALALALALALALALA....
Seriously Scott,it takes a lot for me to get upset with anyone,let alone you....
Mt thoughts are that when choosing a moderator for a Presidential or Vice Presidential debate that moderator should be as unbiased as possible..Having a moderator that is actually writing about one of the candidates in a negative or positive way does not constitute being unbiased..."you did great" is not a comment an unbiased moderator should say to either candidate...Their comments should be nuetral and praise both candidates in the same manner....Just having ONE person hear that' you did great' could sway a vote...Free publicity sort of speak...Not fair and not right...
I do think that Obama does not have the experience to lead this country and I strongly feel that Biden has not shown much for over the 30 years he has been in the Senate to lead this country either..Hell I never heard much of him BEFORE this campaign..What does that tell you....I know I never heard of Palin at all BUT for the 30 years + you think Biden would have been more visible....In only a few years, everyone knows Palin and what she stands for....She is a strong woman and I have NO problems if she were forced to take the job of President.......
My views......
Politics are just a conversation piece for me...I do my part by supporting who I think would be best for this country and by placing my one vote in the ballot box....I know who I am voting for and while I hope more vote for McCain, I do not hold it against anyone if they choose not to...I just hope that whoever wins will do a good job and make this country a better place for my children....
Seriously Scott,it takes a lot for me to get upset with anyone,let alone you....
Mt thoughts are that when choosing a moderator for a Presidential or Vice Presidential debate that moderator should be as unbiased as possible..Having a moderator that is actually writing about one of the candidates in a negative or positive way does not constitute being unbiased..."you did great" is not a comment an unbiased moderator should say to either candidate...Their comments should be nuetral and praise both candidates in the same manner....Just having ONE person hear that' you did great' could sway a vote...Free publicity sort of speak...Not fair and not right...
I do think that Obama does not have the experience to lead this country and I strongly feel that Biden has not shown much for over the 30 years he has been in the Senate to lead this country either..Hell I never heard much of him BEFORE this campaign..What does that tell you....I know I never heard of Palin at all BUT for the 30 years + you think Biden would have been more visible....In only a few years, everyone knows Palin and what she stands for....She is a strong woman and I have NO problems if she were forced to take the job of President.......
My views......
Politics are just a conversation piece for me...I do my part by supporting who I think would be best for this country and by placing my one vote in the ballot box....I know who I am voting for and while I hope more vote for McCain, I do not hold it against anyone if they choose not to...I just hope that whoever wins will do a good job and make this country a better place for my children....
10/3/2008 10:23:26 AM
Juice writes:
Is this a joke thread?
Who cares if anybody said you did great?
As a songpull director people come to me before their performance and convey to me how nervous they are and how bad they think they are going to do.
You did great!
When I use it isn't meaning their perfromance was awesome. It simply means they made it through without losing it or letting on you were out of control.
That is the Host's Job.
Furthermore I could have sworn that Biden when he was talking about losing his wife and daughter their was a moment on his face I thought he was going to break down and start sobbing. But he stopped for a second and regained himself.
I don't know if that had anything to do with it but it did seem odd.
Who cares if anybody said you did great?
As a songpull director people come to me before their performance and convey to me how nervous they are and how bad they think they are going to do.
You did great!
When I use it isn't meaning their perfromance was awesome. It simply means they made it through without losing it or letting on you were out of control.
That is the Host's Job.
Furthermore I could have sworn that Biden when he was talking about losing his wife and daughter their was a moment on his face I thought he was going to break down and start sobbing. But he stopped for a second and regained himself.
I don't know if that had anything to do with it but it did seem odd.
10/3/2008 1:34:48 PM
P78 writes:
Juice...No joke...Sorry...
I am not over analyizing this..I watched Sarah Palin get the handshake with a polite smile and I am assumining the mic was stiil on.....Palin went away and Biden went up shook Gwens' hand then Gwen said you did great.......
I am not looking to compare this to an artists' performance..Aplles and oranges...This is politics and being unbiased is an extremely hard thing to be...I just thought the choice of moderator was not the best....
Everyone needs positive rienforcement that is a no brainer but in a forum like a VP Debate any one sided enthusiasm, terms of endearment, or positive rienforcement to either candidate from the 'host' ( which I believe needs to be unbiased ) is not fair....Biden, Obama, McCain, and Pailn chose the poitcal path for employment...Everything is an open book and will continue to be until the election is over.....My opinion whether good, bad, right, or wrong...
"..."you did great" is not a comment an unbiased moderator should say to either candidate...Their comments should be nuetral and praise both candidates in the same manner....Just having ONE person hear that' you did great' could sway a vote...Free publicity sort of speak...Not fair and not right..."
Wayne
I am not over analyizing this..I watched Sarah Palin get the handshake with a polite smile and I am assumining the mic was stiil on.....Palin went away and Biden went up shook Gwens' hand then Gwen said you did great.......
I am not looking to compare this to an artists' performance..Aplles and oranges...This is politics and being unbiased is an extremely hard thing to be...I just thought the choice of moderator was not the best....
Everyone needs positive rienforcement that is a no brainer but in a forum like a VP Debate any one sided enthusiasm, terms of endearment, or positive rienforcement to either candidate from the 'host' ( which I believe needs to be unbiased ) is not fair....Biden, Obama, McCain, and Pailn chose the poitcal path for employment...Everything is an open book and will continue to be until the election is over.....My opinion whether good, bad, right, or wrong...
"..."you did great" is not a comment an unbiased moderator should say to either candidate...Their comments should be nuetral and praise both candidates in the same manner....Just having ONE person hear that' you did great' could sway a vote...Free publicity sort of speak...Not fair and not right..."
Wayne
10/4/2008 11:01:14 AM
ThatGuy writes:
;)
I'm just sayin'... I'm pretty sure this thread wouldn't exist if Gwen told Palin she did a great job and not Biden.
:) ... "Just sayin'..."
I'm just sayin'... I'm pretty sure this thread wouldn't exist if Gwen told Palin she did a great job and not Biden.
:) ... "Just sayin'..."
10/4/2008 2:39:29 PM
P78 writes:
In all honesty Scott, it would....I am not talking about Democrat or Republican...I am talking about maintaining a level playing field and the choice of an biased moderator that was made evident by her comment ( at least what I thought I had heard )
Face it, the media LOVES Obama and that if fine BUT I honestly believe McCain is the best choice to lead this country at this time..I do not want the glitter of the media or Hollywood lemmings sway anybodys' vote..This is a very important choice that has to be made.....Also, I have had many discussions errr debates with the master Republican Captain Morgan many times because of my stance with the Democratic Party but I actually agree with CM on this...
I do not like what the Democratic Party is doing in this election ( do NOT want to start an further problems so I will leave it as is...LOL !)
Face it, the media LOVES Obama and that if fine BUT I honestly believe McCain is the best choice to lead this country at this time..I do not want the glitter of the media or Hollywood lemmings sway anybodys' vote..This is a very important choice that has to be made.....Also, I have had many discussions errr debates with the master Republican Captain Morgan many times because of my stance with the Democratic Party but I actually agree with CM on this...
I do not like what the Democratic Party is doing in this election ( do NOT want to start an further problems so I will leave it as is...LOL !)
10/4/2008 9:09:05 PM
ThatGuy writes:
The reality is, the lavalier mic's they were wearing were not supposed to be "live" before & after the debate. Their comments when not official "on air" should not be held to any scrutiny.
I am 100% confident that they were unaware that their mic's were live the entire time. It's the FIRST time I've ever seen it done and I am pretty sure it was either in-error... or they were not aware they were live.
The comments were not made (in my honest belief) knowing they they were still having their mic's fed into the main mix - AND... even if they did know - if any people out there are being swayed whatsoever by the passing comments of the moderator AFTER THE DEBATE HAD ENDED - then their vote is gonna ping-pong another 50 times before the election.
I understand what you're saying "in theory" Wayne... but you really are making an issue where one doesn't exist.
I'd love to see where one person anywhere was swayed by her comment. And FYI - BOTH sides are frigging sheisters with their lies and claims - You think it's just the Democrats...? How about the latest statement Palin let out today: Using tone of voice and innuendo when making claims that am anti war activist who had been involved in prior protest bombings was a supporter of Obama... AS IF THAT HAS ANY RELEVANCE TO ANYTHING... As if Obama had ANY control over who supports him...???
What if a video tape were released from Bin-Laden saying that he hoped McCain won the election - could we then say that McCain is somehow linked with Bin Laden...?
The crowd she was speaking to went WILD when she made such reckless statements as if to somehow "link" in people's minds a tie between Obama and this extremist...?
Both sides are really pissing me off... But ask yourself this, Wayne... why is it that you were never against how the Democrats campaigned... up until you considered voting Republican...? I assure you - as an INDEPENDENT voter... nothing has changed. They have always campaigned this way - It just helps to make my point that it's easy to vilify the "other side" when you make a choice and choose to dismiss objectivity.
Waive the McCain flag all you want - shout it from the roof-tops if you believe in the man - I agree he has great character and conviction - and might be a strong leader - and if he wins, he may be a great President - time will tell - but make no bones about it... BOTH sides of the election feel the other side is being unfair and are wrong.
If I vote for Obama - it's not because I have faith in *him* as a leader... it's because I don't feel that McCains political solutions are what we need.
If this were a personality contest - HANDS DOWN, I choose McCain. And in a way, it partially is... but more importantly... it's about policy. ANd as much as I Don't like the "Person" Obama... I am aligned with the policies.
Again - both sides are slinging BS... both sides are embellishing the truth and lies... both have done some good, both have done not-so-good.
Bottom line - Gwen's personal comment - as much as it bothers you... was not something that was intended to be broadcast to the nation and up for scrutiny. If you wanna be mad at someone - be mad at the sound-engineer or technical director of the program for not bringing the mic's down. What she said wasn't wrong - your real problem should be with the fact that it was broadcast. (Just MHO) :)
I am 100% confident that they were unaware that their mic's were live the entire time. It's the FIRST time I've ever seen it done and I am pretty sure it was either in-error... or they were not aware they were live.
The comments were not made (in my honest belief) knowing they they were still having their mic's fed into the main mix - AND... even if they did know - if any people out there are being swayed whatsoever by the passing comments of the moderator AFTER THE DEBATE HAD ENDED - then their vote is gonna ping-pong another 50 times before the election.
I understand what you're saying "in theory" Wayne... but you really are making an issue where one doesn't exist.
I'd love to see where one person anywhere was swayed by her comment. And FYI - BOTH sides are frigging sheisters with their lies and claims - You think it's just the Democrats...? How about the latest statement Palin let out today: Using tone of voice and innuendo when making claims that am anti war activist who had been involved in prior protest bombings was a supporter of Obama... AS IF THAT HAS ANY RELEVANCE TO ANYTHING... As if Obama had ANY control over who supports him...???
What if a video tape were released from Bin-Laden saying that he hoped McCain won the election - could we then say that McCain is somehow linked with Bin Laden...?
The crowd she was speaking to went WILD when she made such reckless statements as if to somehow "link" in people's minds a tie between Obama and this extremist...?
Both sides are really pissing me off... But ask yourself this, Wayne... why is it that you were never against how the Democrats campaigned... up until you considered voting Republican...? I assure you - as an INDEPENDENT voter... nothing has changed. They have always campaigned this way - It just helps to make my point that it's easy to vilify the "other side" when you make a choice and choose to dismiss objectivity.
Waive the McCain flag all you want - shout it from the roof-tops if you believe in the man - I agree he has great character and conviction - and might be a strong leader - and if he wins, he may be a great President - time will tell - but make no bones about it... BOTH sides of the election feel the other side is being unfair and are wrong.
If I vote for Obama - it's not because I have faith in *him* as a leader... it's because I don't feel that McCains political solutions are what we need.
If this were a personality contest - HANDS DOWN, I choose McCain. And in a way, it partially is... but more importantly... it's about policy. ANd as much as I Don't like the "Person" Obama... I am aligned with the policies.
Again - both sides are slinging BS... both sides are embellishing the truth and lies... both have done some good, both have done not-so-good.
Bottom line - Gwen's personal comment - as much as it bothers you... was not something that was intended to be broadcast to the nation and up for scrutiny. If you wanna be mad at someone - be mad at the sound-engineer or technical director of the program for not bringing the mic's down. What she said wasn't wrong - your real problem should be with the fact that it was broadcast. (Just MHO) :)
10/4/2008 10:13:22 PM
Juice writes:
You're right.
I should vote for him. I wasn't going to but she's probably got more common sense than I do. She is a moderator for cryin' out loud and she devised all those important unbiased questions to make him look good anyways.
You can't be biased unless the party that opposes you are unequivecly dead wrong.
Right?
I should vote for him. I wasn't going to but she's probably got more common sense than I do. She is a moderator for cryin' out loud and she devised all those important unbiased questions to make him look good anyways.
You can't be biased unless the party that opposes you are unequivecly dead wrong.
Right?
10/5/2008 4:11:36 PM
dog writes:
"was not something that was intended to be broadcast to the nation and up for scrutiny."
Everything should be scrutinized. In the grand scheme of things this doesn't matter, but it is certainly noteworthy in light of the fact the wrote a book about Obama.
Everything should be scrutinized. In the grand scheme of things this doesn't matter, but it is certainly noteworthy in light of the fact the wrote a book about Obama.
10/5/2008 4:20:57 PM
Ronin writes:
It probably doesn't matter because short of a major public gaffe or something scandalous coming to light, this election is a pretty much a foregone conclusion at this point.
10/6/2008 8:45:50 AM
P78 writes:
Biased, from my understanding, is to show favoritism. I could be dead wrong here but writing a book praising one of the Presidential candidates is showing favoritism.
This is a Presidential race where both sides have had people say things either on or off mic that were not appropriate. As Dog said, everything should be scrutinized. We are not voting for the 'best new artist' here. This is not American Idol.
FYI Scott, I have not liked the way Obama has campaigned from day 1. I was 100% ready to vote for Hillary Clinton and I made no bones about it. I felt that she deserved to be the Democratic candidate not Obama. I also made no bones about my admiration for John McCain and if it were between John McCain and Hillary my decision would have been extremely difficult to make. I think Hillary is a strong, intelligent woman who has the experience from her time in the White House (regardless of what anyone says) and having an ally in Bill Clinton who has already experienced what being President of the USA is and the challenges it faces, only made better sense to me that she would have been the best ‘change’ for our Country.
Now I have shifted from a party that I have endorsed on here sense I became a member. I have taken many shots from the LRs Republican heavies. While I still tend to disagree with their views that it is ALL the Democrats fault, I have to endorse the person that I think would best protect and serve this country. McCain has already proven that he is more than qualified to do so. What ifs do not matter one bit. Unfortunately, popularity does but being popular does not make a person. Personal integrity does.
Rather than going around in circles and getting off track here..LOL !
I just thought that she made a biased comment that ‘could’ have swayed peoples’ views. I thought that she was not the best choice for moderator due to her ‘ties’ with Obama. I also feel that no matter how professional you are supposed to be, the human factor still plays a huge role. People tend to be impressionable. So, one sentence, one phrase, or one word can have a negative or positive affect on the independent mind. Those who have already chosen their path will react differently depending on who they are already endorsing.
Bottom line for me…..GOD BLESS AMERICA!!
I will support the Commander and Chief no matter who it is.
So 300 bucks for a 6 string fretless? DAMN !
This is a Presidential race where both sides have had people say things either on or off mic that were not appropriate. As Dog said, everything should be scrutinized. We are not voting for the 'best new artist' here. This is not American Idol.
FYI Scott, I have not liked the way Obama has campaigned from day 1. I was 100% ready to vote for Hillary Clinton and I made no bones about it. I felt that she deserved to be the Democratic candidate not Obama. I also made no bones about my admiration for John McCain and if it were between John McCain and Hillary my decision would have been extremely difficult to make. I think Hillary is a strong, intelligent woman who has the experience from her time in the White House (regardless of what anyone says) and having an ally in Bill Clinton who has already experienced what being President of the USA is and the challenges it faces, only made better sense to me that she would have been the best ‘change’ for our Country.
Now I have shifted from a party that I have endorsed on here sense I became a member. I have taken many shots from the LRs Republican heavies. While I still tend to disagree with their views that it is ALL the Democrats fault, I have to endorse the person that I think would best protect and serve this country. McCain has already proven that he is more than qualified to do so. What ifs do not matter one bit. Unfortunately, popularity does but being popular does not make a person. Personal integrity does.
Rather than going around in circles and getting off track here..LOL !
I just thought that she made a biased comment that ‘could’ have swayed peoples’ views. I thought that she was not the best choice for moderator due to her ‘ties’ with Obama. I also feel that no matter how professional you are supposed to be, the human factor still plays a huge role. People tend to be impressionable. So, one sentence, one phrase, or one word can have a negative or positive affect on the independent mind. Those who have already chosen their path will react differently depending on who they are already endorsing.
Bottom line for me…..GOD BLESS AMERICA!!
I will support the Commander and Chief no matter who it is.
So 300 bucks for a 6 string fretless? DAMN !
10/6/2008 8:46:33 AM
dog writes:
"It probably doesn't matter because short of a major public gaffe or something scandalous coming to light, this election is a pretty much a foregone conclusion at this point."
This must be the reason my ass is starting to hurt.
This must be the reason my ass is starting to hurt.
10/6/2008 9:29:53 AM
P78 writes:
For the record...I am NOT as well versed politically as some on here...In fact, I consider myself somewhat ignorant when it comes to certain issues...So, please do not think of me as coming off as pedant in this type of forum...I am merely expressing my views and/or opinions....
Peace,
Wayne
Peace,
Wayne
10/6/2008 9:51:31 AM
kcmc writes:
it doesnt matter who is elected, either one will be fixing the 8 years bush screwed up
10/6/2008 10:07:48 AM
Ronin writes:
I think history will show that Bush was not as bad a president as some believe. There are still those running around claiming it was the worst presidency in the history of this nation.
I guess they either didn't live through Carter or were too stoned to remember it.
I guess they either didn't live through Carter or were too stoned to remember it.
10/6/2008 11:13:17 AM
kcmc writes:
Ronin your speaking like bush in saying give it a few years and you will see this was all for the best. im not buying it
10/6/2008 11:28:55 AM
Juice writes:
"For the record...I am NOT as well versed politically as some on here...In fact, I consider myself somewhat ignorant when it comes to certain issues..."
That is exaclty why you think the moderators comments have any weight to sway people's opinions.
We are still talking about the Vice Presidient who lives in the shadows of the president for insurance reasons.
You don't, not get what you really want if your insurance policy isn't as good as another.
Joe Biden is who he is. He is popular in the politcal arena. I doubt anybody watched the debate to see how he faired. We all know what he is like especially from all the past public judicial hearings. I'll bet people wanted to only see how Palen weathered against his experience.
If anything that comment should have confirmed that Biden felt threatened. And he should be.
That is exaclty why you think the moderators comments have any weight to sway people's opinions.
We are still talking about the Vice Presidient who lives in the shadows of the president for insurance reasons.
You don't, not get what you really want if your insurance policy isn't as good as another.
Joe Biden is who he is. He is popular in the politcal arena. I doubt anybody watched the debate to see how he faired. We all know what he is like especially from all the past public judicial hearings. I'll bet people wanted to only see how Palen weathered against his experience.
If anything that comment should have confirmed that Biden felt threatened. And he should be.
10/6/2008 12:52:05 PM
Ronin writes:
What was for the best?
The economy, though in trouble, is in far better shape than it was in the late seventies.
The war? A much smaller mess than LBJ left behind.
The economy, though in trouble, is in far better shape than it was in the late seventies.
The war? A much smaller mess than LBJ left behind.
10/6/2008 1:48:14 PM
kcmc writes:
ok so lets not say he was/is the worst president but im sure we can agree he made a few errors here there and there and there oh and there
10/6/2008 2:53:44 PM
coreybfromhooksett writes:
I was hanging out with Obama and WIlliam Ayers the other night and they said that it never happened.
10/6/2008 2:58:49 PM
P78 writes:
"That is exaclty why you think the moderators comments have any weight to sway people's opinions."
"You don't, not get what you really want if your insurance policy isn't as good as another." Huh?
I have Afflack
OUCH Juice......
I was going to type something clever but..I am speechless LOL !
"You don't, not get what you really want if your insurance policy isn't as good as another." Huh?
I have Afflack
OUCH Juice......
I was going to type something clever but..I am speechless LOL !
10/7/2008 12:20:38 PM
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