I'm VOTING FOR McCAIN!!!!
Because he has chosen a HOT looking woman to be his running mate!!!!!! Hahahahahaha
8/29/2008 11:51:16 AM
She's got five kids...
8/29/2008 3:00:22 PM
Well then, could be the first MILF Vice President!!!! YEAH!!!!
8/29/2008 11:36:35 PM
No one steal this idea, I'm having some "McCain/Milf" Tee-shirts made. copyright 2008 (11:36 PM 8/29 )
8/29/2008 11:37:55 PM
Geraldine Ferraro was a MILF in her day.
8/30/2008 2:24:14 AM
That's kinda gross JZ. You probably think Janet Reno was as well
8/30/2008 7:36:16 AM
Janet Reno was one hot dude.
8/31/2008 7:53:15 PM
Well, at least McCain can get the Redneck/WT vote. Brilliant strategy...
9/1/2008 6:17:31 PM
thats pretty eliteist of you to say Mike.
are you infact as elite as you make yourself out to be?
9/1/2008 6:34:27 PM
I never said anything about being elite. You did. What can say that if I decide to have kids, it would be under the consideration of not having so many kids that I can't give them enough individual attention to keep them out of trouble and can't teach them the correct morals.
Interesting that mother and daughter were pregnant at the same time. Sounds like a fun household to live in. I wonder if they get condoms in their stockings during Christmas?
9/1/2008 7:01:35 PM
"not having so many kids that I can't give them enough individual attention to keep them out of trouble and can't teach them the correct morals."
The daughter makes a mistake and Palin is basically a bad mother?
I can say without a doubt, you don't have a fucking clue about parenting.
9/1/2008 7:21:17 PM
Dearest Mike,
please don't have kids.
thanks,
The World.
P.S. - The world wants to know, what was your parent's excuse for raising such an ignorant git?
P.P.S. You line6 tone sucks.
9/1/2008 7:54:46 PM
Is this the kind of argument against Gov. Palin that Obama supporters are going to come up with?
If so, excellent.
For the record, I had unprotected sex as a teenager. Does that mean I didn't get enough individual attention from my mother?
Mike, did you have any unprotected sex as a teenager?
9/1/2008 9:17:13 PM
Would you think less of Sen. Obama's mother if she had gotten pregnant while unmarried and a teenager?
9/1/2008 9:31:55 PM
also, that means that voting for clinton or obama would be foolish.
broken homes = unsafe at any speed?
is that what you are SAYING?
9/1/2008 9:32:13 PM
What Mike seems to be saying, without meaning to...is that he's scared shit that McCain's running mate might get him elected.
9/1/2008 9:55:04 PM
Glad shes pro-life!
I'm still waiting for her to fall off the podium one of these nights.hahaha
What people don't know is she was actually a strip-o-gram for Johns birthday.He was so taken that he hired her full time
9/1/2008 10:09:12 PM
Kennium,
Wrong again. Scared shit? I'm laughing my ass off about this. Everyone's saying "this shouldn't have anything to do with politics, blah, blah, blah." Good luck getting the Christian Right to vote for McCain now.
Dog, since you've supplied the most ignorant reply, and you're easily the biggest asshole here, I'll address you: I know more about parenting than you know about raising an erection. How much have you studied about child and adolescent psychology? How many kids of all ages do *you* interact with on a daily basis? I'll tell you that the most important thing about raising kids would be to not allow you to procreate.
Funny that the republicans jumped all over Clinton's case on getting a blowjob, but a woman bringing up teenage unwed mothers is okay.
9/1/2008 10:38:35 PM
No, Carl. It means that your mother shouldn't be the person that's a heartbeat away from running our country. And no, I wouldn't have had a problem with Obama's mother. I would have had a problem with *her* mother, if she was being nominated to be the vice president of our country. If the woman can't control her own kids, how is she supposed to potentially run the country?
Per usual, the republican fanatics misinterpret a position and use a massive projection technique to take the heat off of their candidate. You really can't see that this was an asinine decision? Do you really believe that McCain makes no mistakes?
Carl, I'll bet you've gotten a blowjob at one time or another, too. However, I'm willing to bet you were right in line to lambaste Clinton in that witch hunt.
9/1/2008 11:00:36 PM
Mike, you are impressive.
it's not worth picking apart your understanding of politics, or parenting.
I mean, i could have the same conversation with some bark mulch, at least then it would more interesting.
though you did put it out there, now i have to know - where did you learn so much about parenting?
9/1/2008 11:16:19 PM

You make a lot of assumptions.
To begin, no, I had no problem with Bill Clinton getting a blow job. I had a problem with him lying under oath about it, when it was he who signed the laws that eventually allowed prosecutors to even ask questions like that while investigating sexual harassment cases etc.
Since you feel you are being misinterpreted, I'll ask for clarity's sake: Are you saying that a parent, who has a child who gets premaritally pregnant (as a teen) is not fit to be Vice President?
And no, I don't see it as an asinine decision at all. I see it as a gamble, one he probably had to take. Only time will tell if it turns out to be the wrong choice or the right choice. Even if he wins because of it, you'll say it was an asinine decision, because you can't look at it from a strategic stand point, or from a basic values stand point. You're too clouded by your partisanship.
By the way, Dog is the furthest thing from a Republican Fanatic you can find.
Also, although only time will tell, I think you are very wrong about the Christian Right. I think you may find that you don't know them as well as you think you do. I'm presently wondering how you would define the Christian Right.
9/1/2008 11:22:23 PM
I asked these same questions of some bark mulch earlier, and once you answer them, we'll compare the responses.
9/1/2008 11:23:27 PM
For the record, I do understand where Mike is coming from.
"It means that your mother shouldn't be the person that's a heartbeat away from running our country."
I'm sure many people are sharing that same sentiment.
9/1/2008 11:29:09 PM
That is to say, many people are sharing that sentiment, even if they are McCain supporters.
9/1/2008 11:31:24 PM
What about if she were a man? Would that make a difference?
Since I believe the great majority of human beings have unprotected sex as teens, are you guys saying their moms shouldn't be Vice President?!?!?! How about their Dads?
Same rule apply?
9/1/2008 11:32:12 PM
And by the way, you haven't met my Mom.
9/1/2008 11:33:29 PM
And just so I can hear it and understand, again for clarity's sake:
Mike, do you believe that someone's teen daughter, having unprotected sex should disqualify them from being Vice President?
Or are you just suggesting that many people feel that way? And if that is your position, do you come by it by any hard data? Polling or otherwise?
9/1/2008 11:36:17 PM
one last follow up strain:
If she would have had an abortion, would that have been better?
And:
Do you think Chelsea Clinton had unprotected sex as a teen?
9/1/2008 11:38:33 PM
A woman bringing up an unwed mother IS okay.
What would YOU do?
Disown her?
That's your daughter. She got in trouble. She made a bad mistake, and her mother is standing by her, like any good mother should. Her daughter is gonna marry the guy by the way.
I thought you liberals were so open minded?
and as far as being qualified to run the country! HA!
OBAMA?
What has he ever done?
This woman has more experience running things, I mean actually being in charge, and GOVERNING things than your affirmative action candidate has.
She's far more in touch with regular folks than your empty suit is.
All Obama can do well, is make speeches.
9/1/2008 11:39:19 PM
And I STILL say you're scared shit.
9/1/2008 11:40:45 PM
...and if the best you can do to is to attack someone's CHILDREN you ain't got too much goin' for ya.
9/1/2008 11:45:11 PM
Mike, sorry, another question I forgot to re-ask.
You never answered the one about whether you had unprotected sex as a teen, didgya? huh?
And I didn't answer one of your questions.
you asked:
"Do you really believe that McCain makes no mistakes?
"
Heh heh, I've never been a fan of McCain. He makes so many mistakes that I was shocked that he made this bold, and I think smart move. (again, time will tell)
So if you're trying to suggest we're all blind McCain fanatics, well, good luck with that.
9/1/2008 11:48:54 PM
I have admit that sexual behavior is the last thing concerns me about Palin. I suppose though that in the present context it is, in a sense, "the icing on the cake". In other words, it only seems to underscore other attributes of her public persona i.e., being female, a virtual unknown, a former Miss America and every other girlie characteristic that we've heard. Does this fit the perceived image of who we would want to be the commander-in-chief of the most powerful country in the world?
And by default if God forbid, anything should happen to McCain?
If put in the breech, she may perform brilliantly. Who knows?
One thing is for sure though: on the outset, the prospect of having such a person at the helm is a frightening one to say the least.
9/1/2008 11:49:01 PM
I love the way this election is now suddenly INTERSTING.
It was so boring until SHE came along!
9/1/2008 11:50:17 PM
Very true!
9/1/2008 11:54:04 PM
Crazy Cat, don't you believe that every person should be judged as an individual?
For the record, I believe she was first runner up in the Miss Alaska pageant. And she won Miss Congeniality. So many pageant girls are freakin brilliant! Almost always at the head of their classes, usually with musician background (always the smartest kids in school... it's a fact, look it up :-)
As for "girlie characteristics" have you read up on her?!?!!?
This woman is no girlie type!
I can't help but feel there is chauvinism showing it's ugly head in the comments made about her. I know there were in the comments that eventually brought down Hillary. (I'm no longer aiming these comments at you Crazy Cat, mainly at the left)
The Democrats didn't want that mean bitch to lead them, so they rallied around Sen. Obama, and defeated her. Now their turning their embarrassing chauvinism toward Gov. Palin.
9/1/2008 11:58:17 PM
So true Kennium!
When I heard Biden was Obama's running mate, I practically yawned out loud thinking, "Oh great, same ol same ol running up to November" and although I wanted Mitt to get the GOP nod, I knew that wouldn't have excited anyone in any big way.
9/2/2008 12:00:32 AM
Wait a minute!
She was a top notch basketball player, a runner-up in a Miss Alaska contest, a high achiever in school, then she became a member of the PTA, then the city council, then she ran for and was elected the mayor, then the governor! And now she has made it up the ladder farther than any other woman in America has ever gone!
No other woman has been the vice presidential candidate.
This is history, and I'm rooting for her.
This woman had 5 kids while doing all of this.
AND she's a babe too!
She's been a governing longer than the affirmative action candidate has been a senator!
Could Obama shoot a moose?
Could Obama go ice fishing?
This broad has real character.
9/2/2008 12:00:45 AM
Obama would run from a caribou. she's take it home for dinner.
9/2/2008 12:03:00 AM
* I'll mention Geraldine Ferraro before someone on the left slams you for it. ;-)
9/2/2008 12:03:01 AM
Her husband is an Eskimo!
He 's been a commercial fisherman. You know how hard that is?
He also works on oil rigs. These people understand what makes things run. These are take charge people.
9/2/2008 12:05:31 AM
If I were to insult your children in order to make you look bad... that's just so LOW!
9/2/2008 12:07:12 AM
Mike, I also wanna know- have you ever had sex?
(with anyone)
9/2/2008 12:08:41 AM

Some more political strategery points for Mike to consider before labeling her a bad choice.
* it's an anti-Republican year, that's very clear to all. She made a name for herself turning in crooked Republicans, some who wound up in jail!
*She then challenged an incumbent Republican Governor in the Primary, and Beat him!
* She then took on a Republican Congressman that she felt was crooked, and propped up a candidate to beat him, and won!
* Although I agree with the Leftist pundits who say she won't persuade any hardcore Hillary fans to jump ship, what about the millions of middle of the road, Independent, working Moms who have teenagers ( some getting knocked up), are coping with unhealthy children/babies, and just plain working their asses off in a culture that now requires both parents to work? Don't you see where she may inspire them, or at least get them to consider voting for the old gray haired guy?
I watched her first speech while taking care of my baby girl, and I gotta tellya, I looked down at her and said, "Some day you can be President" and it meant something to me, I assure you, it'll mean something to millions of Moms out there.
9/2/2008 12:12:17 AM
Carl,
I really don't have any problem with her myself. I'm just saying that the characteristics I mentioned are legitimate causes for concern. Conversely, there are causes for as much concern with Obama as well.
How would you feel if the woman in question was Hillary or someone like Jane Swift or Martha Coakley?
We, at least, have heard about those other women. Palin, on the other hand, as competent as she may be, is a virtual unknown. She's like a wild card.
9/2/2008 12:12:56 AM
She's an unknown because it's Alaska.
The positive thing is she ISN'T from Washington.
9/2/2008 12:16:35 AM
Obama talks pretty.
This broad can DO stuff. She's tough!
She flies her own pontoon boat.
That would probably make Obama go peepee.
9/2/2008 12:19:34 AM
Pontoon plane.... hahaha!
9/2/2008 12:20:35 AM
My problems with Hillary are mostly idealogical. I think she'd be a better President than Sen Obama though.
Honestly, I never had a problem with Jane Swift, and I always felt that she was the victim of extreme partisanship in the guise of chauvinism, the way she was treated by the media in MA. If she had been a Dem. The Boston media would have heralded the Super Mom Governor having babies while in office. The headlines would have read " Governor uses State Helicopters to Fly Home to be with her Children, And We Applaud Her Ingenuity"
I don't know enough about Coakley, (having moved to NH)
9/2/2008 12:22:01 AM
The debates will tell the true story.
I cannot wait for her and Biden to go at each other.
This is suddenly interesting!
9/2/2008 12:23:45 AM
Since you bring up Hillary, why isn't there more outrage in the Democrat community about Hillary not being his Vice President choice?!?! Didn't she freakin' earn it?!?!? They would have won, hands down.
Either he was too afraid of her having power, or she refused to help him become President!!! Either way, one of them, if you believe in their ideology, is screwing over the party, and what they stand for!
9/2/2008 12:26:28 AM
Someone
anyone
tell me why Obama is qualified.
9/2/2008 12:29:17 AM
So this woman is busy working hard, and she has a teenage daughter who managed to sneak out, spend time with her boyfriend and wind up pregnant, and this makes Palin a bad mother AND bad at her job? Give me a friggin break. Teenagers are brilliant when they want to be. Good mothers have kids in trouble all the time and it doesn't make their mothers bad at their jobs.
My child could do a lot worse things than give me a grandchild.
But what do I know.
9/2/2008 12:30:50 AM
Obama...
What has he done?
Don't tell me what he said.
Tell me what he's ever done.
Tell me.
9/2/2008 12:31:04 AM
I agree about Hillary. He shot himself in the foot and weakened the party by choosing someone else.
9/2/2008 12:32:03 AM
BTW, My mother in law reads the Alaska newspapers online every day and has been telling me about Palin for some time. She's not entirely unknown to everyone.
9/2/2008 12:32:05 AM
I think the whole thing is FUN now.
9/2/2008 12:35:36 AM
Bill Clinton getting a blowjob while at work probably made him better at his job.
I'm just sayin'.
9/2/2008 12:37:22 AM
There is going to be great change which ever way things swing!
9/2/2008 12:38:57 AM
I don't know about that Crazy Cat, it's still Congress that spends money (or chooses not to spend money) in Washington.
I don't know why I threw in that "or chooses not to spend" line in there. Wishful thinking?
9/2/2008 12:43:06 AM
As for the old Bill gets blow job question, I'm still a bit shocked that no Clinton supporter found any problem with the judgment of a man, with so much to lose, messing around with an intern! Just imagine if she had been one of those psycho types that get possessive and files a sexual harassment lawsuit or something. I often wonder if he realizes just how lucky he got that it was an unattractive Republican woman who blew the whistle, and not the young lady herself! Or one of the others.
9/2/2008 12:48:48 AM
Lefties admire the impeached president Clinton.
He was impeached, by the way.
They admire him.
Here, we have a woman they can't admire.
She's real.
9/2/2008 12:55:20 AM
Carl, that's not necessarily the kind of "change" I was referring to.
9/2/2008 1:03:20 AM
She's the Barracuda!
9/2/2008 1:03:22 AM
Oh, you meant a black guy, or a chick! Yup. no two ways about it, the Hall of Portraits will look different soon! (I don't even know if there is a Hall of Portraits, but it sounded good)
I wonder if the Dems have done any special polling in the Dem party regarding a certain subgroup, generally among the Union Dem supporters, and usually in the shipping and receiving department of any large company in the greater Lowell Area (or similar areas) who would never vote for a black guy no matter who he was.
I mention it because I grew up with these guys, and they'll debate politics with me 'til they're blue in the face, and they're die hard Dems, but they won't be voting for anyone in November, for all the wrong reasons. Yet, when the pollsters call them, I bet they say they'll most likely vote Democrat.
9/2/2008 1:18:24 AM
Here's a sticky wicket question for Dems out there. (or anyone)
Do you know someone who will not vote for Obama strictly because he's black?
And before any of you who hate everything I say when I step into the Politics Area here at LowellRocks accuse me of anything, I voted for Alan Keyes in the 2000 Primary.
9/2/2008 1:59:16 AM
bumper sticker seen over the holiday weekend...
MCCAIN 08
keeping the white house, white
9/2/2008 6:52:53 AM
Carl, do you really think big Bill was the only President to have an extra-marital affair in the oval office? I'm not trying to defend the guy but c'mon, you can't possibly be that naive?
9/2/2008 7:39:33 AM
"Do you know someone who will not vote for Obama strictly because he's black?"
I don't, no. But I also think that, in general, people wouldn't admit it if they thought this way. But I have no doubt whatsoever that there are -still- a lot of people in the U.S. who simply wouldn't vote for a black man for President.
"Lefties admire the impeached president Clinton."
Right. Because that's the sum total of the Clinton years. As far as I'm concerned, the impeachment was just the culmination of an
8 year witch hunt by the Republicans. In the end, they finally "got" Clinton. Good job pissing away my tax dollars on useless BS. Yeah, Clinton got a blow job and OH MY GOD! he lied about it. I can live
that.
Seriously, Republicans need to get off of the but.. but.. Clinton meme already.
9/2/2008 7:47:36 AM
Who cares about the Clintons anyway.
They're all done.
That ship has sailed. They're over.
The Democrats have thrown their own queen overboard and coronated the new messiah.
What has he ever DONE?
Nothing.
But they like the idea of giving a black man the chance to be the president, even if he has done nothing, and has no experience.
It makes them feeeeeel better.
"Ooooh we're SO progressive!"
This empty suit who reads speeches so eloquently.
I can't wait for the debates.
This is gonna be fun, now that The Barracuda is in there!
9/2/2008 9:32:31 AM
Elect The Naughty Librarian!
9/2/2008 9:32:49 AM
I have to say, considering all of the "experienced" people that have held the position as of late, I'm not at all opposed to trying someone out who hasn't been fcking us for years.
9/2/2008 9:48:10 AM
And, if I read it correctly, a Republican brought it up.
9/2/2008 9:48:47 AM

"But they like the idea of giving a black man the chance to be the president, even if he has done nothing, and has no experience."
Republicans do not want to play the "no experience" card.
Here are Palin's big qualifications:
- she's a woman
- she was mayor of a city smaller in size than Brighton
- she's been governor of Alaska for 18 months
- weeded out some corruption of some sort (I can't remember details at the moment)
That's it. That's all of her "qualifications". And let's not forget she's under investigation for allegedly abusing her power as Governor to fire someone who refused to fire her ex brother-in-law.
I won't argue that Obama is qualified, as I don't support Obama either. But Palin is far less qualified than Obama. Hell, she doesn't even know what a VP does. That's not someone I want a heartbeat away from the Presidency when her running mate is a 72 year old with some history of health problems.
Ken, I've read a lot of stuff posted by Obama supporters and not once does the fact that he's black come up as a talking point. What I see are a lot of people, especially a younger demographic who are involved in understanding the issues and like Obama's platform.
As I said before, I don't support Obama, because I see him as Deval Patrick on the national stage. A lot of big ideas, but some really bad ideas on where the money is going to come from. What I don't do is dismiss the guy. I know you guys think McCain is a lock, but that's short sighted. Obama has a very, very good chance of winning in November.
9/2/2008 10:16:21 AM
"This is gonna be fun, now that The Barracuda is in there!"
Missed this the first time I read your post.
Biden will tear Palin's head off and rip her heart out during the VP debates.
9/2/2008 10:24:54 AM
"Biden will tear Palin's head off and rip her heart out during the VP debates."
What if she wears a bikini? hahahahahahahaha
9/2/2008 10:28:05 AM
very typical liberal attack position...
"And let's not forget she's under investigation for allegedly abusing her power as Governor to fire someone who refused to fire her ex brother-in-law"
You really have to mention that don't you? Jump on the smear bandwagon. That is only narrow minded and immature.
Read a bit more than the headlines and you'll see that YOU would order the guy to be fired immediately.
9/2/2008 10:34:11 AM
"Biden will tear Palin's head off and rip her heart out during the VP debates."
easy there Tom...I heard from a few analysts over the weekend that if Biden rides her too hard it will actually work against him.
9/2/2008 10:35:13 AM
and since the Guv is THE boss of any state, not following those orders is certain grounds for dismissal.
9/2/2008 10:35:18 AM
Palin is a V-PILF
9/2/2008 10:37:46 AM

She's been governing longer than Obama has been a senator.
She's also more in touch with regular real people.
She knows what a gallon of milk costs. She headed the local PTA, so she's in touch with issues of education.
Obama lived in Hawaii, went to Harvard. I work at Harvard once in a while, those people aren't living in the real world. Trust me on that.
Governor Palin has a son who's being sent to Iraq.
I'd say that's a great incentive to want to end the war. Wouldn't you?
Once again I'll ask- What has Obama ever done?
He's never held an executive position.
He's never run a business, been a mayor or a governor.
He's a Senator. They vote -if they show up. That's what they do.
Someone who can run businesses, households, the PTA, The City council, the mayor's office, the governor's office...this is someone who can make a decision.
She's a common sense woman, from outside the beltway.
She's the American dream.
It's disgraceful that people are criticizing her because her 17 year old daughter got pregnant!
Hear me Mike? Disgraceful!
After all, Obama himself was born out of wedlock when his mother was only 18.
9/2/2008 10:41:55 AM
I will enjoy debates between the two VP nominees. They both are self made people, coming from blue collar upbringings.
The biggest difference is that Biden has been PART OF THE WASHINGTON SHITHOLE for 35 YEARS. (McCain only 22yrs)
Biden is more responsible than any of the others for the situation we are in. He's another one that should just fade away.
9/2/2008 10:42:14 AM
I totally agree with CPA!
9/2/2008 10:48:42 AM
"You really have to mention that don't you? Jump on the smear bandwagon. That is only narrow minded and immature.
Read a bit more than the headlines and you'll see that YOU would order the guy to be fired immediately."
Thanks for the personal attack, there, buddy. I'm not sorry at all for raising legitimate issues (she's being investigated) that don't fit your narrow right wing world view.
So, good job further the actual discussion, Chris. Masterful job at acting like a right wing apologist. *clap* *chap*.
LR.com needs an ignore list.
9/2/2008 11:03:10 AM
"easy there Tom...I heard from a few analysts over the weekend that if Biden rides her too hard it will actually work against him."
Mike, my point is that Palin is pretty much clueless in the areas that a VP debate will cover. Unless he's a very fast study, and a really skilled speaker, Biden will metaphorically eat her lunch.
I still don't understand the right's willingness to accept Palin as a good VP candidate. I can see some of the "outsider" appeal, but given her experience, if I were a conservative, I'd still have reservations about her. And yet, most of what I read is almost blind fan-boy adoration of her.
9/2/2008 11:08:59 AM
Ken, you have your criteria, I have mine. And according to mine, Palin is not someone I'd want as VP.
I'll say it again for clarity: I am not an Obama supporter and my comments do no reflect a pro-Obama or pro-Democrat position.
I don't think Obama has enough experience either. But to me, he has WAY more experience than Palin. In the end, it's moot anyway. I'm gonna end up with people I don't want in the White House.
9/2/2008 11:14:34 AM
she is socially conservative.
she's an outsider that takes on the 'estabishment'
she's been an elected politian longer than obama.
she's not running against obama.
biden is a hack, a piece of furniture in washington.
Palin is the 'obama' of the right, except she's rightfully on the bottom of the ticket, an understudy. which is where Obama should be, at best for the dems.
9/2/2008 11:14:47 AM
I've heard liberals refer to themselves as Obama "Fans."
Talk about blind adoration.
9/2/2008 11:15:16 AM
But I will admit that I DO have blind fan-boy adoration of her.
I like that chick.
I hope she goes all the way to the top.
9/2/2008 11:19:11 AM
in most of america, there is a bias towards family focused, meat and potatos issues, food on the table, jobs etc. that palin helps cover in any debate - wonky foreign policy stuff didnt matter for clinton, or GWB. hell she's even been in a union.
she's real people.
besides, macain's got that forien policy stuff covered.
9/2/2008 11:19:21 AM
I agree with Milhouse.
She's real people.
9/2/2008 11:20:54 AM
"And yet, most of what I read is almost blind fan-boy adoration of her. "
Because, before she came along, McCain hadn't a chance. Now at least he has a slight one.
Obama is going all the way, the 'Pubs just need to learn to deal. Sorry, but better luck in '12
9/2/2008 11:23:59 AM
Well, you may be right, or you may be wrong, but at least this spices it all up, and makes it more fun.
i want to make a new bumper sticker:
NO YOU CAN'T!
9/2/2008 11:40:35 AM

solvocals - to say that McCain previously had no chance is inaccurate. Usually, at the time of the Democratic Convention, even buffoons like McGovern and Dukakis enjoyed double digit leads in the polling. Going into the convention, McCain and Obama were in a statistical dead heat, within just a few percentage points of each other. Obama got a brief bump after the convention, and was enjoying up to about an 8 point lead over McCain (if I'm not mistaken), but that was quickly diffused by the Palin selection. I also believe that Gustav threw a wet blanket over both campaigns' coverage, but certainly drowned out any additional back-end coverage bump that should have followed the DNC. Right now, all of the political talk is the firestorm surrounding Palin, and whether anyone likes the move or not, EVERYONE is talking about PALIN and NOT Obama. Ouch.
I'm personally waiting to see how Palin handles the white hot spotlight. If she carries herself well without any major slips, and is able to go toe-to-toe with Biden, then that's game/set/match.
But if she's not as strong as she's been made out to be, things will remain close...flip a coin.
9/2/2008 11:48:31 AM
IMO He hasn't got a chance.
9/2/2008 11:52:12 AM
TF, I think you're right. This isn't going to be the overwhelming victory that the more, um, exuberant people from each party seem to think it will be. It's going to be a close race and it's very much in doubt how it's going to turn out.
I'm not sure I agree with the game/set/match opinion, but there is a lot to be seen with Palin.
9/2/2008 11:55:34 AM
Big time risky choice for McCain IMO. Could blow up in his face if things don't go perfectly with Palin.
I've said before that I don't like either of these presidential choices. Between the 4 people on the tickets, I am personally most in line with Palin's politics - at least from what we currently know about her - and McCain just kills me with his past Immigration Policy. Once again, I will hold my nose and vote for the lesser of 2 evils.
9/2/2008 12:01:32 PM
"IMO He hasn't got a chance."
Michael, Michael, Michael....
and Tom believe me I know she's not the most qualified candidate but what I do believe is that adding her to he ticket was a brilliant strategy and is going to get votes and at the end of the day that's what an election is all about.
Also when I said that if Biden tears her up in a debate the strategists believe it could backfire b/c he'll come across like a bully...he's going to have to use tact and diplomacy if he is to dice her up.
TOOLfist...which one of the Slushpuppies are you? Man I love the lucidity of your posts and next time I get to your show I wanna know who's hand to shake.
9/2/2008 12:54:41 PM
Yah, I know, Mike. Biden can't really go balls out on Palin like he could if it were a male VP candidate. I agree about TF's posts too. I often don't agree, but I always enjoy the posts.
Ken, a couple of things. FIrst, I don't think you're a Palin fan-boy at all. IMO, you're a well reasoned, thoughtful guy and don't just jump on the bandwagon. Secondly, the fan-boy thing is seen in abundance among Obama supporters too.
9/2/2008 1:01:14 PM
Dog, I wouldn't even mention that whole dismissal case in Alaska. I was worried about it, until I heard Keith Oberman say it was a non-starter because the guy deserved it! Keith Oberman!?!?! The dirtiest most Obama loving guy in the media.
solvocals, I think Clinton was the first and only President in modern times (read: post Congressional page scandal, post strengthening of sexual harassment laws etc. really it's post Nixon, when the media decided nothing was off limits for them) to screw around with an Intern. Affairs are one thing, though probably open game for the media, but his judgment problem came into play because of his choice of affair. A very young woman who worked for him.
All politics aside, any CEO guilty of the same thing would have been fired, unceremoniously.
9/2/2008 1:08:10 PM
Notice Ronin hasn't been here?
His TV is busted, his umbilical cord to the world is shut off. :-)
9/2/2008 1:11:33 PM
I woke up hoping I'd see the Crutcher Oracle explain again how parents (or was it just mothers?) who have sexually active teens are not fit to be Vice President.
9/2/2008 1:13:58 PM
i thought it was because he got the new springsteen box set which he found at a trip to the dump over the long weekend.
9/2/2008 1:14:41 PM
Perhaps, CM, but I still don't like being accused of '"smear tactics" and other horsesh*t for calling attention to it.
9/2/2008 1:17:30 PM
"The Crutcher Oracle"
New band name?
9/2/2008 1:18:06 PM
Is it just me or do you guys think Palin looks like MaryAnn from Gilligan's Island?
9/2/2008 1:19:56 PM
My favorite quote from this entire thread:
"If the woman can't control her own kids, how is she supposed to potentially run the country?"
That is so laughably stupid that it bears repeating.
9/2/2008 1:23:54 PM
"Kim Jong-il, if you don't stop enriching uranium this instant you're going to bed without supper!"
9/2/2008 1:30:43 PM
I just expect you to get past the headlines before bringing any of that into this discussion. It's cheap and waaay too easy for a guy like you. That's all.
9/2/2008 1:35:12 PM
"Well-behaved women rarely make history"
9/2/2008 1:36:55 PM
"Ahmadinejad, stop tracking mud in the house!"
9/2/2008 1:45:58 PM
I'll stick up for Dog and concur that although I think it was somewhat knee jerk to bring up that dismissal case, I believe he was just suggesting that there is much not known about her making her a dangerous pick. In a week that has seen Dog express real criticism of the Dem's Messiah, we must cut him more slack! :-)
And try to appeal to the Mary-Anne on Gilligan's Island loving part of his soul.
9/2/2008 2:31:10 PM
The fact that it's still being investigated means it's still an issue. Keep in mind that the typical American voter doesn't know the details nor will they bother to find out. All they're gonna hear is the "under investigation for an ethics violation" soundbite. I have absolutely zero faith in voter's ability to discern the fine details.
The only defense of Obama you'll hear from me is when people start in on his lack of experience. Especially now that McCain picked Palin, someone else who isn't experienced. And as I said before I don't Obama has the right experience either.
I am so fcked this election. I swear I'm gonna write in "none of the above".
Chris, no harm, no foul. It just stung a bit.
9/2/2008 3:05:40 PM
dog, you live in a solid blue state, you were fked before the election.
9/2/2008 3:07:41 PM
Wow! Estrich just said that!
I'm not as optimistic to think 30% is "in play", but from her lips to God's ears.
9/2/2008 3:39:36 PM
"dog, you live in a solid blue state, you were fked before the election."
This is true. We're blessed with Obama-lite in the governor's mansion.
9/2/2008 3:46:15 PM
left the desk for a while...
swanee, you asked which of the slushpuppies i am, right? here's your answer:
myspace.com/slushpuppiesbosto... I hope you do catch up with me at a show sometime. It'd be my pleasure. We're at the Backstage in Tewksbury every so often.
I'm glad to contribute to the message board. I don't really know many of you personally except Almac and Lou Spag, but I feel that I'm among some pretty cool people here in Lowell Rocks Land of Politics.
9/2/2008 3:59:17 PM
Excellent choice of music for your myspace page, TF. Most excellent.
9/2/2008 4:35:37 PM
Is it just me or does anyone else thik she looks like (a younger) Sally Field ?
9/2/2008 4:43:25 PM
and BTW, both parties rely on the "sound bite" to influence
the masses.
I know it sounds naive but, I just have high hopes that THIS time it can be a clean(er) fight. I won't be holding my breath.
Do ya think Palin likes the UFC ?
9/2/2008 4:45:55 PM
What's the UFC?
9/2/2008 4:49:48 PM
Cool Jim, I'll look for you at a show. I've seen you a few times over the years, in fact when Tony was in the band you guys used to play the third floor at Brian's Ivy Hall and I had a steady gig as an acoustic duo on the first floor bar.
We used to watch all the hot chicks walk by and head upstairs, they were really there to hear Norwegian Wood.
9/2/2008 4:52:00 PM
ahhh...memories...
9/2/2008 4:58:26 PM
"and BTW, both parties rely on the "sound bite" to influence
the masses. "
Yep and that's because the average American voter can't receive data any other way.
9/2/2008 5:02:27 PM
I know.. that's why the makers of Ritalin all own islands in the Bahamas
9/2/2008 5:05:04 PM
Seriously.the only ones I hear complaining about Palins inexperiance or pregnant children is the fanatical right media idiots.And,they spin it to make the other side out to be the evil ones.They talk too much,thats what gonna smear the inexperianced VP.Obama himself even said peoples children are off limits .Then theres being mayor of a small town as opposed to being elected to the state legislator :Who has more experiance?Blah blah blah.Obama was elected in 1996 according to the research I did(I could be wrong),then again she,was on the year book committee in high school.
9/3/2008 4:12:42 AM
"Seriously.the only ones I hear complaining about Palins inexperiance or pregnant children is the fanatical right media idiots"
This has not been my experience. Most of the invective I've heard regarding Palin has come from Obama supporters. Of course, it depends on what other stuff you read on the net.
9/3/2008 7:57:01 AM
Anyone else see the irony in the fact that the man who was the Democratic Vice Presidential nominee in '00 came out last night at the RNC to endorse the Republican Presidential nominee?
9/3/2008 8:19:50 AM

Obama was NOT elected in 1996 as a U.S. Senator. That was as state legislator in Ilinois.
He was also not brought up as a Muslim as people allege (just pointing that out before someone brings it up in this thread).
As for experience, Palin is far more qualified. She's been in an executive position which is what the president is. Being a senator is poor training for the job because they are not leaders or decision makers. This is the first election in a very long time where both major party reps are senator and that doesn't bode well.
Obama speaks well but he's a typical liberal Democrat. Most of us here are middle-class and we're all going to take a screwing if he gets elected. All of his programs are going to take a lot of money which means more taxes...and we all know who really pays the taxes in this country; not the very rich or the poor. Both of those groups are usually the beneficiaries of these "programs" (most of which are probably unConstitutional!).
So will they programs benefit any of us? Hardly.
Then there is his energy platform. Why do the Dems always lay out their energy plans with what they WON'T do...we won't allow for more off-shore drilling...we won't allow more refineries...we won't allow more nuclear power plants...we allow drilling in Anwar. What they will do is sink a lot of money into stuff that might come to fruition in ten or twenty years which doesn't help the situation today.
Oh yeah, they'll try to pass a windfall profit tax on the oil companies, not being smart enough to realize that big oil will simply pass that cost on to the consumers (I believe Jimmy Carter tried that...how'd that work out for us in the late seventies?).
Then they'll try to enact higher fuel standards for cars, yet another cost that will be passed to you and I.
The answer is a balance of today and tomorrow. Invest in alternative energies for tomorrow and tap into the energy resources and technologies we already have for today.
9/3/2008 8:23:52 AM
And Al, before you make an indictment like "fanatical right media idiots" let me remind you of this; during MSNBC's live coverage of Obama during the primaries, Chris Matthews expressed his man-crush admiration for Obama's speaking skills by admitting that Obama's speech created a "thrill" in his leg.
Clean up behind the anchor desk, clean up behind the anchor desk.
9/3/2008 8:25:44 AM
When was the last time we had a senator elected to President?
Wasn't that Nixon? Yikes!!!!!!!
9/3/2008 9:16:20 AM
"Dog, since you've supplied the most ignorant reply, and you're easily the biggest asshole here, I'll address you: I know more about parenting than you know about raising an erection. How much have you studied about child and adolescent psychology? How many kids of all ages do *you* interact with on a daily basis? I'll tell you that the most important thing about raising kids would be to not allow you to procreate."
I can't believe I missed this.
You don't know about raising kids from books or even dealing with kids every day in a non-parental setting. You learn to parent kids by being a parent. In short, Mikey, unless you have kids of your own, you really don't know what it takes to raise a kid.
And guess what, Mikester, I have. My wife and I raised two kids who have turned out great. And unless you tell me different, the only thing you've raised is alot of typical Oracle BS.
Now tell me again how you "know" about raising kids? I need another good laugh today.
9/3/2008 9:28:14 AM
"All of his programs are going to take a lot of money which means more taxes."
If I had to pick just one reason Obama isn't getting my vote this would be it.
9/3/2008 9:30:01 AM
UFC = Ultimate Fighting Championship
ufc.com/
9/3/2008 9:35:31 AM
How did the UFC get into all this?!?!?! Hahahahahahaha
Obama is NOT for off shore drilling? I could have sworn I read on his site that he was?!?!?! I have to go back and check it out.
9/3/2008 9:50:35 AM
From Obamas site:
"Obama will require oil companies to develop the 68 million acres of land (over 40 million of which are offshore) which they have already leased and are not drilling on."
Which I take as meaning, they need to start drilling or lose the land. Am I wrong? Not being arrogant just seeing if someone has a different view of this.
9/3/2008 9:54:43 AM

More from his site:
Eliminate Our Need for Middle Eastern and Venezuelan Oil within 10 Years
Increase Fuel Economy Standards.
Obama will increase fuel economy standards 4 percent per year while providing $4 billion for domestic automakers to retool their manufacturing facilities in America to produce these vehicles.
Get 1 Million Plug-In Hybrid Cars on the Road by 2015.
These vehicles can get up to 150 miles per gallon. Barack Obama believes we should work to ensure these cars are built here in America, instead of factories overseas.
Create a New $7,000 Tax Credit for Purchasing Advanced Vehicles.
Establish a National Low Carbon Fuel Standard.
Obama will establish a National Low Carbon Fuel Standard (LCFS) to reduce the carbon in our fuels 10 percent by 2020. Obama will also require 60 billion gallons of advanced biofuels to be phased into our fuel supply by 2030.
A “Use it or Lose It” Approach to Existing Oil and Gas Leases.
Obama will require oil companies to develop the 68 million acres of land (over 40 million of which are offshore) which they have already leased and are not drilling on.
Promote the Responsible Domestic Production of Oil and Natural Gas.
An Obama administration will establish a process for early identification of any infrastructure obstacles/shortages or possible federal permitting process delays to drilling in the Bakken Shale formation, the Barnett shale formation, and the National Petroleum Reserve-Alaska.
9/3/2008 9:56:02 AM

From McCain:
Expanding Domestic Oil And Natural Gas Exploration And Production
John McCain Will Commit Our Country To Expanding Domestic Oil Exploration. The current federal moratorium on drilling in the Outer Continental Shelf stands in the way of energy exploration and production. John McCain believes it is time for the federal government to lift these restrictions and to put our own reserves to use. There is no easier or more direct way to prove to the world that we will no longer be subject to the whims of others than to expand our production capabilities. We have trillions of dollars worth of oil and gas reserves in the U.S. at a time we are exporting hundreds of billions of dollars a year overseas to buy energy. This is the largest transfer of wealth in the history of mankind. We should keep more of our dollars here in the U.S., lessen our foreign dependency, increase our domestic supplies, and reduce our trade deficit - 41% of which is due to oil imports. John McCain proposes to cooperate with the states and the Department of Defense in the decisions to develop these resources.
John McCain Believes In Promoting And Expanding The Use Of Our Domestic Supplies Of Natural Gas. When people are hurting, and struggling to afford gasoline, food, and other necessities, common sense requires that we draw upon America's own vast reserves of oil and natural gas. Within the United States we have tremendous reserves of natural gas. The Outer Continental Shelf alone contains 77 trillion cubic feet of recoverable natural gas. It is time that we capitalize on these significant resources and build the infrastructure needed to transport this important component of electricity generation and transportation fuel around the country.
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--------------------------------------------... Action Now To Break Our Dependency On Foreign Oil By Reforming Our Transportation Sector
The Nation Cannot Reduce Its Dependency On Oil Unless We Change How We Power Our Transportation Sector.
John McCain's Clean Car Challenge. John McCain will issue a Clean Car Challenge to the automakers of America, in the form of a single and substantial tax credit for the consumer based on the reduction of carbon emissions. He will commit a $5,000 tax credit for each and every customer who buys a zero carbon emission car, encouraging automakers to be first on the market with these cars in order to capitalize on the consumer incentives. For other vehicles, a graduated tax credit will apply so that the lower the carbon emissions, the higher the tax credit.
John McCain Will Propose A $300 Million Prize To Improve Battery Technology For Full Commercial Development Of Plug-In Hybrid And Fully Electric Automobiles. A $300 million prize should be awarded for the development of a battery package that has the size, capacity, cost and power to leapfrog the commercially available plug-in hybrids or electric cars. That battery should deliver a power source at 30 percent of the current costs. At $300 million, the prize is one dollar for every man, woman and child in this country - and a small price to pay for breaking our dependence on oil.
John McCain Supports Flex-Fuel Vehicles (FFVs) And Believes They Should Play A Greater Role In Our Transportation Sector. In just three years, Brazil went from new cars sales that were about 5 percent FFVs to over 70 percent of new vehicles that were FFVs. American automakers have committed to make 50 percent of their cars FFVs by 2012. John McCain calls on automakers to make a more rapid and complete switch to FFVs.
John McCain Believes Alcohol-Based Fuels Hold Great Promise As Both An Alternative To Gasoline And As A Means of Expanding Consumers' Choices. Some choices such as ethanol are on the market right now. The second generation of alcohol-based fuels like cellulosic ethanol, which won't compete with food crops, are showing great potential.
Today, Isolationist Tariffs And Wasteful Special Interest Subsidies Are Not Moving Us Toward An Energy Solution. We need to level the playing field and eliminate mandates, subsidies, tariffs and price supports that focus exclusively on corn-based ethanol and prevent the development of market-based solutions which would provide us with better options for our fuel needs.
John McCain Will Effectively Enforce Existing CAFE Standards. John McCain has long supported CAFE standards - the mileage requirements that automobile manufacturers' cars must meet. Some carmakers ignore these standards, pay a small financial penalty, and add it to the price of their cars. John McCain believes that the penalties for not following these standards must be effective enough to compel all carmakers to produce fuel-efficient vehicles.
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--------------------------------------------... In Clean, Alternative Sources Of Energy
John McCain Believes That The U.S. Must Become A Leader In A New International Green Economy. Green jobs and green technology will be vital to our economic future. There is no reason that the U.S. should not be a leader in developing and deploying these new technologies.
John McCain Will Commit $2 Billion Annually To Advancing Clean Coal Technologies. Coal produces the majority of our electricity today. Some believe that marketing viable clean coal technologies could be over 15 years away. John McCain believes that this is too long to wait, and we need to commit significant federal resources to the science, research and development that advance this critical technology. Once commercialized, the U.S. can then export these technologies to countries like China that are committed to using their coal - creating new American jobs and allowing the U.S. to play a greater role in the international green economy.
John McCain Will Put His Administration On Track To Construct 45 New Nuclear Power Plants By 2030 With The Ultimate Goal Of Eventually Constructing 100 New Plants. Nuclear power is a proven, zero-emission source of energy, and it is time we recommit to advancing our use of nuclear power. Currently, nuclear power produces 20% of our power, but the U.S. has not started construction on a new nuclear power plant in over 30 years. China, India and Russia have goals of building a combined total of over 100 new plants and we should be able to do the same. It is also critical that the U.S. be able to build the components for these plants and reactors within our country so that we are not dependent on foreign suppliers with long wait times to move forward with our nuclear plans.
John McCain Will Establish A Permanent Tax Credit Equal To 10 Percent Of Wages Spent On R&D. This reform will simplify the tax code, reward activity in the U.S., and make us more competitive with other countries. A permanent credit will provide an incentive to innovate and remove uncertainty. At a time when our companies need to be more competitive, we need to provide a permanent incentive to innovate, and remove the uncertainty now hanging over businesses as they make R&D investment decisions.
John McCain Will Encourage The Market For Alternative, Low Carbon Fuels Such As Wind, Hydro And Solar Power. According to the Department of Energy, wind could provide as much as one-fifth of electricity by 2030. The U.S. solar energy industry continued its double-digit annual growth rate in 2006. To develop these and other sources of renewable energy will require that we rationalize the current patchwork of temporary tax credits that provide commercial feasibility. John McCain believes in an even-handed system of tax credits that will remain in place until the market transforms sufficiently to the point where renewable energy no longer merits the taxpayers' dollars.
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--------------------------------------------... Our Environment And Addressing Climate Change: A Sound Energy Strategy Must Include A Solid Environmental Foundation
John McCain Proposes A Cap-And-Trade System That Would Set Limits On Greenhouse Gas Emissions While Encouraging The Development Of Low-Cost Compliance Options. A climate cap-and-trade mechanism would set a limit on greenhouse gas emissions and allow entities to buy and sell rights to emit, similar to the successful acid rain trading program of the early 1990s. The key feature of this mechanism is that it allows the market to decide and encourage the lowest-cost compliance options.
How Does A Cap-And-Trade System Work? A cap-and-trade system harnesses human ingenuity in the pursuit of alternatives to carbon-based fuels. Market participants are allotted total permits equal to the cap on greenhouse gas emissions. If they can invent, improve, or acquire a way to reduce their emissions, they can sell their extra permits for cash. The profit motive will coordinate the efforts of venture capitalists, corporate planners, entrepreneurs, and environmentalists on the common motive of reducing emissions.
Greenhouse Gas Emission Targets And Timetables:
2012: Return Emissions To 2005 Levels (18 Percent Above 1990 Levels)
2020: Return Emissions To 1990 Levels (15 Percent Below 2005 Levels)
2030: 22 Percent Below 1990 Levels (34 Percent Below 2005 Levels)
2050: 60 Percent Below 1990 Levels (66 Percent Below 2005 Levels)
The Cap-And-Trade System Would Allow For The Gradual Reduction Of Emissions. The cap-and-trade system would encompass electric power, transportation fuels, commercial business, and industrial business - sectors responsible for just under 90 percent of all emissions. Small businesses would be exempt. Initially, participants would be allowed to either make their own GHG reductions or purchase "offsets" - financial instruments representing a reduction, avoidance, or sequestration of greenhouse gas emissions practiced by other activities, such as agriculture - to cover 100 percent of their required reductions. Offsets would only be available through a program dedicated to ensure that all offset GHG emission reductions are real, measured and verifiable. The fraction of GHG emission reductions permitted via offsets would decline over time.
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--------------------------------------------... Energy Efficiency
John McCain Will Make Greening The Federal Government A Priority Of His Administration. The federal government is the largest electricity consumer on earth and occupies 3.3 billion square feet of space worldwide. It provides an enormous opportunity to lead by example. By applying a higher efficiency standard to new buildings leased or purchased or retrofitting existing buildings, we can save taxpayers substantial money in energy costs, and move the construction market in the direction of green technology.
John McCain Will Move The United States Toward Electricity Grid And Metering Improvements To Save Energy. John McCain will work to reduce red tape to allow a serious investment to upgrade our national grid to meet the demands of the 21st century - which will include a capacity to charge the electric cars that will one day fill the roads and highways of America. And to save both money and electrical power for our people and businesses, we will also need to deploy SmartMeter technologies. These new meters give customers a more precise picture of their overall energy consumption, and over time will encourage a more cost-efficient use of power.
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--------------------------------------------... Speculative Pricing Of Oil
John McCain Believes We Must Understand The Role Speculation Is Playing In Our Soaring Energy Prices. Congress already has investigations underway to examine this kind of wagering in our energy markets, unrelated to any kind of productive commerce, because it can distort the market, drive prices beyond rational limits, and put the investments and pensions of millions of Americans at risk. John McCain believes that where we find abuses, they need to be swiftly punished. To make sure it never happens again, we must reform the laws and regulations governing the oil futures market, so that they are just as clear and effective as the rules applied to stocks, bonds, and other financial instruments.
John McCain Does Not Support A Windfall Profits Tax. A windfall profits tax on the oil companies will ultimately result in increasing our dependence on foreign oil and hinder investment in domestic exploration. Jimmy Carter put a windfall profits tax in to place with little to no useful results.
9/3/2008 9:58:26 AM